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August 26 2008 07:06 pm | jesus shirts
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DayfallKat on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
Is it right for me …
Is it right for me to not believe in an afterlife?
What is the god that you believe in? “God” has no meaning for me. Krishna has a meaning for instance.
Is it right for me to not believe in your god?
ZabbyATR on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
Hey man it’s all …
Hey man it’s all good. We do have a choice in this after all. By that I mean “choose what you want to do” or “let God choose what he wants you to do”.
You clearly won’t change your mind unless you see some hard evidence.
DayfallKat on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
“To not have any …
“To not have any purpose is just…well lame”
I am sorry about that. Anything I can do to help?
I don’t see any evidence we have a “meaning” or a purpose. We are not a tool. A tool has a purpose. I would rather choose my own purpose anyway.
What is the purpose of your god?
I don’t believe in a disembodied consciousness. I also don’t believe we will get new bodies. It is all just wishful thinking.
ZabbyATR on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
I believe in God …
I believe in God and that our lives have meaning. To not have any purpose is just…well lame. What are your opinions on afterlife?
DayfallKat on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
What do you believe?
What do you believe?
ZabbyATR on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
Oh I see…soo its …
Oh I see…soo its nothingness…thats umm..ok yea sorry I guess I never knew. So you have no religion whatsoever? Just…nothingness?! I’m sort of confused on this part I’m afraid.
DayfallKat on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
You know people …
You know people that believe in ghosts. Athiests arn’t those. To put it simply.
Athiesm doesn’t imply any belief.
ZabbyATR on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
I dunno I just felt …
I dunno I just felt like saying that. Any way, anything about religion is always interesting to me..would you mind explaining what being an atheist is about?(beliefs etc.) Thanks
DayfallKat on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
And what would I …
And what would I see if I opened my eyes? Your god I suppose.
ZabbyATR on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
You need to open …
You need to open your eyes, you seem very confused.
DayfallKat on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
You can first show …
You can first show evidence of a historical Jesus. “Jesus was real and everyone knows it.” Uh huh. And, you can tell me all you want about the afterlife and God, and Jesus and all sorts of mythical things, but you don’t back up anything you say, so yes, I will ignore you.
You won’t hurt my feelings if you faith is stronger. The more faithful you are, the more unreasonable you will seem.
DayfallKat on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
There can be no …
There can be no evidence for or against imaginary things. The qualities can always change, as they always do, so that any argument fails.
Richard Dawkins often talks about Jesus, but I have never heard him say that he was real.
Hercules was very strong. But, I don’t believe Hercules was real.
gthang612 on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
I’m going to end …
I’m going to end this discussion here. No matter what I say, you’ll just blow it off by saying “you made it up.” Ultimately, I know that I won’t be the one to change your mind.. or your life.
Thanks for the time you spent responding to my comments, you have really encouraged me to continue to learn more about Christianity.
gthang612 on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
A couple are …
A couple are Friedrich Nietzsche and Richard Dawkins. The more popular argument is that Jesus was just a “good teacher” rather than the son of God.
When you claim that C.S. Lewis ALSO made general statements with no evidence, are you admitting that your statements have no evidence? That doesn’t help your case.
DayfallKat on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
Oh? And who are …
Oh? And who are these people?
C.S. Lewis also made general statements with no evidence.
gthang612 on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
Even the most …
Even the most renowned defenders of atheism do not deny that Jesus existed. And I don’t know if you can get out of hell, but if people want to live without God, is the place where they can continue to do so.
How are you so sure that C.S. Lewis made things up? You’re making such general statements with no evidence.
DayfallKat on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
So you can get out …
So you can get out of hell?
There is no historical evidence. At all.
C.S. Lewis also made things up. He just wrote down what he thought Christianity should be.
gthang612 on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
As for Jesus being …
As for Jesus being imaginary, there is historical evidence that he existed and that his grave was empty. If you still believe Jesus was just make-believe, I can’t convince you otherwise. Also, if you think I’m making this up, I suggest that you learn about it on your own. I recommend reading C.S. Lewis. He was an atheist who became Christian while trying to disprove Christianity.
gthang612 on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
If someone went to …
If someone went to and then went to heaven just because he/she wanted to go, then pretty much everyone would go to heaven. But if good and evil are real in this world, shouldn’t there be distinct consequences for the two? is the absence of all that God is. Those who choose to live without God are destined to a place that is without God. Also, I specified that we cannot explain ALL of Jesus’ actions and thoughts.
DayfallKat on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
I think you are …
I think you are just making this up.
Ok, if you get to and decide that you would rather be in Heaven then can you go?
And you are precisely the one to explain Jesus’ actions. Sense he is imaginary, you can give him whatever qualities you want him to have.
DayfallKat on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
But I can’t believe …
But I can’t believe and not have a relationship?
gthang612 on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
The video, “Jesus …
The video, “Jesus Loves Me,” represented a misconception that many people have about heaven and hell. is not a place of fire and brimstone as it is often illustrated in many cartoons and such. Rather, is a place where people go who want to be in control of their own lives. Heaven is a place where people want God as the ruler of their lives. And who are we to explain all of Jesus’ actions and thoughts - if we knew everything Jesus thought, he wouldn’t be Jesus right?
gthang612 on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
I do believe that …
I do believe that Satan exists, but he evidently doesn’t want a relationship with us. And yes, this specific relationship is unique to God alone. Again, this discussion is meant to explain a mere part of your video - not to convince you of God’s existence. Your statement,”if I believe I know he exists I will be forced to have a relationship,” is true only if God left you with no choice but to believe in him. Contrarily, the choice to believe and have a relationship are left to our discretion.
DayfallKat on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
So you DO believe …
So you DO believe in Satan? Oh, I suppose you will say it only applies to God since that is the only way your argument will work.
In any case I am glad you admit I can not have any proof of your religion being true. Since you can’t make an argument that will convince me that God exists, sense if I believe I know he exists I will be forced to have a relationship.
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gthang612 on 26 Aug 2008 at 7:06 pm #
Let’s say you …
Let’s say you wanted to believe but chose not to be in a relationship - that is like believing in God and knowing he exists, but denying any relationship to God even though that starkly contrasts with what God is all about. My point is that once a person believes, a relationship is something that follows as a result of believing. So you would have no choice to believe as well as no choice but to be in a relationship. As a result, there would be a forced relationship. I hope this helps.